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Re: The Fool in Shinto mythology?
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2007, 04:08:02 PM »

What are these strange words: mythosophic and astrosophic  Huh  I can't find them in my dictionary. Are they coined and used in context Huh

All very interesting.

David
Mythosophic is the active aspect of Mythosophy which refers to the Wisdom of Myths.  Astrosophic is the active aspect of Astrosophy which refers to the Wisdom of the Stars.

There are many different types of dictionaries available that cover specific aspects and/or niche categories of thought.  Metaphysical and Theological dictionaries or encyclopedias should be sought out when dealing with psycho-spiritual matters, in order to aid oneself to a better appreciation of understanding of Esoteric, Mystic, and Occult meanings and terms.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 12:41:14 PM »

What are these strange words: mythosophic and astrosophic  Huh  I can't find them in my dictionary. Are they coined and used in context Huh

All very interesting.

David
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2007, 10:01:52 PM »

Hi Wald,

I wish I hadn't missed your post so long ago~  Good point~

And thanks for explaining that RChMI, it is more clear now how you arrived at the correspondence. 

Although I stil have no idea what your "scopics" are all about...that is some pretty obscure language for most of us, I am afraid.  I am glad that YOU understand it!

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Re: The Fool in Shinto mythology?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 12:41:49 PM »

I agree, the fool is an intensely personal thing.  For me, he is the feeling I get the day before starting  a new course (class) or when I hold a new book.  That magical moment just before I open the cover and begin to read.  It's that moment when I can imagine all the possible things the book will teach me, but really don't know exactly what lays in store.

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Re: The Fool in Shinto mythology?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2006, 02:16:28 AM »

I've been reading this thread and it occurred to me that each of us is lost in our own world. It seems as though every interpretation, mine included, is a self-portrait, no more, no less, but not less valid for all that. It's just so interesting to see these portraits laid out in print.

The interesting thing about self-portraits is that they are inarguable and not in the least mutally contradicting. Just different and interesting. The endless interpretations of tarot are endless portraits. It's a way of getting to know each other.

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Re: The Fool in Shinto mythology?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 05:44:02 PM »

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RC, I know where you are going with this, but I just have a hard time thinking of the Fool with his wistful setting-forth as this bull-killing guy with the dog jumping.  Oh, now, I don't mean to be difficult, it's just that it is a hard image for me.  The tones feel so very different somehow, the bull-slayer and the Fool of the Rider deck.  I know, I know, but still....
The imagery of the Tauroctony is astrosophic in nature, and is all about the sacrificing of the ego within each of us.  This is exactly what the Rider Fool represents with its imagery, which has become mythosophic in its nature but still retains element of that astrosophic nature.  One might say that the bull slayed by Mithras has become the leather purse of the Fool and contains the emotional baggage of the ego within it.  The Rider Fool embues the quality of innocence that comes from purity of essence, rather than a quality of innocence that comes from ignorance.

The sacrifice that the Fool undergoes by waking off into the abyss is the same as that of the slaying of the Bull by Mithras.  It is the aspect of dying to oneself and the resurrection of one's Self.  The Rider Fool merely makes that statement in the literary/mythic imagery of Parzival.
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Re: The Fool in Shinto mythology?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2006, 10:39:35 PM »

Hi Csaba!

I liked your story.  It also made me think of Lakshmi in Hindu stories, who stands holding a lotus in her hand, but Lakshmi does not remind me of our Fool. 

RC, I know where you are going with this, but I just have a hard time thinking of the Fool with his wistful setting-forth as this bull-killing guy with the dog jumping.  Oh, now, I don't mean to be difficult, it's just that it is a hard image for me.  The tones feel so very different somehow, the bull-slayer and the Fool of the Rider deck.  I know, I know, but still....

I like this Shinto story you told us, Csaba.

See you later, I hope!
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Re: The Fool in Shinto mythology?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2006, 06:58:33 AM »

A more appropriate image for the Fool would be that of the Tauroctony, or Bull Slaying icon from Mithraism. 

 In the imagery of the Tauroctony one can see a direct correspondence to the Maresille Fool, with the animal leaping up, the left hand raised as if for the kill, and the cap of the Fool resembling the horns of the bull.


The imagery of the Marseille Fool also lends itself to the mirror image of the Rider Fool, also with dog leaping up and left hand raised.


 In both cases,  the Fool is Mithras the slayer and also the bull the slayed.  Indicating that which is to be slayed is within oneself and not an external thing.
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The Fool in Shinto mythology?
« on: May 08, 2006, 06:49:23 PM »

Dear masters and fellow students of the Tarot!  I have come across this picture in January, and I thought I'd share it with you for your reflection.
There is a remarkable similarity between The Fool's (Rider-Waite) image and story and image of Ama no Uzume, sister of Japanese goddess Amaterasu depicted in the centre of a XIX. century tryptich. You can find the picture by copying this on the address bar:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Amaterasu_cave.JPG

1. According to the myth, Uzume made the Japanese pantheon laugh with her foolish dance.  2.  The laughter aroused the sun-goddess, Amaterasu's curiousity, and coming from the cave where she had been hiding, she brightened the days of humankind.  3.  Uzume stands on her right foot.  4.  she holds a flower in her one outstretched hand 5. and a stick in the other, laying in on her shoulder. 6. There is an animal by her feet, a cock, indicating dawn.
Bright blessings, Csaba 
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