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Re: The questions of who we are! – a place to ask questions of one another.
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 10:24:48 PM »

Some musings on a recent Teleclass.

Questions are living things. Perhaps questions let us know we live…

What do we expect of questions?

Not only do few questions deserve an answer

but questioning may not be the best way to ferret out the sublime.

If questions let us know we live…

And perhaps hint at the why of our life, rushing to answer the question

may be a way of denying the knowledge of life:

Our own self-awareness and self feeling when reflected upon discomfort like questions that heckle the truth.

Perhaps questions should be entertained like friends rather than saluted as a command.

Questions then may open us to our self and others.

If they offer an opening how welcome is it?

What was closed be for the question finds the keyhole of a door in the wall of? Self-complacency? Safety?

Questions, well-placed and entertained, may show us our “original form”

As original form is opens toward answers and revelations…

Revelations may reveal mysteries other than its own.

If the divine were the true source of revelation who would be around to doubt and devise Q&As?

Do questions as portals portend omens?

Omens are amens expecting a percentage.

A blunt denial is an impoverished answer; and equivocating may be only doubling the nothing.

After all a good answer knows when to stop unlike fools who relish in interminable advice.

(Perhaps I should take this as hint to check this muse and entertain silence, the loudest revelation and the softest question.)
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Re: The questions of who we are! – a place to ask questions of one another.
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 01:20:48 PM »

Here I am! Talking to myself again!

I suggest we use the messageboard to vet our associations and (mis)understandings of the ideas were being introduced to.

I am perfectly willing to play with these ideas as a way to become friendly with them.

The more playing, the more fun, so join in!

Don’t just read but question and challenge. I have stated some things that could be considered outrageous as others are downright cryptic, even bulled-headed wrong!

Come find your voice and speak up either on the messageboard or in extra conference calls to quicken what you are learning.

Sharing those insights and confusions will quicken us all to greater integral understanding.

What I am saying is that what is important is the process of learning more than the content of learning.

In a certain way you cannot own knowledge they way you own your home. Knowlege needs company and the tug and pull of trial and error, and it needs to be tested and teased as well as heard and pleased.

What we need to learn needs to be caught in our shared ahha moments than taught from charts of symbolic correspondence. Though those charts can be the basis of plenty of jokes.

More about me later.
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2007, 02:44:06 AM »

Wow Maris

I'm happy you have made a effort to introduce yourself to the other tele-class members and encouraged them also to invent questions that they want answered.

  You and I had an opportunity to have a pretty long introductory conversation at the reader studio, and it was one of the more pleasant and a significant encounters for me during that action-packed weekend.

  You seem to be very happy with what you are learning  during the teleconference.  The emphasis seems to be more on self-knowledge of them on practical skills, and I think exploring what this implications of some of these things are is part of the purpose of beginning this dialogue amongst the participants of the teleconference.

  I do believe that some of us have some degree of occult persona.  A sort of secret self that is who we really are when we're not performing for somebody else.   How we develop a deeper relationship with the many aspects of this secret self might be one of the ways that tarot can open us up to new possibilities.

  I do believe we need a good teacher.  And I think we have good ones in Ruth Ann and Wald.  However as the Buddhists say you need the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha.  So beyond a good teacher, we need sound teaching, and we need a community that supports both teacher, the teachings, and each other.

  So I encourage the rest of us to consider the questions we would want to answer that would reveal something of our secret self, or the significant self that we wish to display at this time in our development.

  Yes I think the possibilities are here and all we have to do is show up and pipe up now and again.

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2007, 09:19:44 PM »

Wow - great questions, but probably more than I have time to elaborate on, and way more than I think anyone wants to read! LOL

I will copy the second set of questions though, I thought those were a little more do-able for me:

Saying a little bit about your background and life, what was the context in which you discovered tarot? I was newly separated at the time, my daughter about 5, and I was dating someone and had seen a deck somewhere and commented offhand that I would love to learn how to read Tarot.  The next holiday season, he had driven out to see me, and I was out with someone else, and he left a tarot deck on my porch for me as a gift.  It was a great gift in that I then spent the next 3 or 4 years asking my deck weekly what to do about my latest loser boyfriend and when was I going to be happy. 

When did you decide to become more serious about the study tarot?  After I started to become more happy, I stopped reading cards for a while.  I would only take them out of someone came over and asked me to read for them.  And yet, over the next 5 more years, while I rarely used them, I always kept them with me.  Since receiving my deck, I have never travelled without my cards.

About 3 years ago I was looking at my deck, realizing all of the above, that since I really got things together for myself, I had not "needed" my tarot deck.  My husband came upon my deck and mentioned that he had not seen me using my cards in the longest time, and I remember remarking to him that what I really needed was a teacher.  About 6 months later, we were looking for a tarot reader for my daughter's 13th birthday party, and that is when I came upon the Tarot School, and while getting a tarot reader for her party never really worked out, I found a teacher, and that is when I became very serious about Tarot.


What is it that you are looking for and the deeper study of tarot? I am looking for whatever finds me, which may just be myself.  Studying has led me down many paths, the best one being the inside of myself.  Its opened up a path for me to hear my spirit better and trust myself more.  Its opened me up to others around me and their contribution to my development, and its opened me up to others around me such that I may give of myself to them as well. 

What do you want from this teleconference class?  I seek to further my knowledge of the tools I have and how to use them.  Through this teleclass I also get to connect with other people who are like me.  And through taking this teleclass, it has opened other doors to find and connect with even more people who have similar interests and passions and learn about the continuing and different interests of others who share this in common. 

Is there anything that you particularly would like to have happen in this class?  What I wanted to happen has, i.e. I found many teachers, and if nothing more were to happen, I would still feel lucky, but I know that with each week, a new color is introduced to me and that many more paths will open and unfold without me even placing expectations into it. 

So Im not sure after re-reading this how much more one can say they know of me? 

Maybe the better questions to ask are.. what are the questions that need to be asked that are the most revealing about who someone really is, outside of Tarot, outside of where and how they grew up.. or is there such a thing?
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Re: The questions of who we are! – a place to ask questions of one another.
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2007, 05:46:03 PM »

David,

I quite agree. Who wants to read a novel on a message Board!
 
  • I suggest we use this thread for lists of questions we want considered as revealing of our self and our magickal self.
  • If we want to address any particular question or set of questions, we start a thread and see where we take it as a group.
  • Lastly, it makes sense to keep our contributions brief. A tenent I know I have a propensity for violating
  • But what good are lists and rules if we can't transgress them?
  • So ignore everything!
In a less specific sense I think if we share our processes toward understanding here, we will develop useful skills in our reading of tarot.
We will become each other's teachers.


Paul

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2007, 03:44:57 PM »

 Wow Paul, This is a load of stuff. I can't imagine that anyone would read through a biography that would take 40 or 50 (or more) pages to get through. Nonetheless, I printed out you post and will read through it, again, and see it will produce some material for my journaling. I'm sure that it will!

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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2007, 01:19:20 PM »

I guess the big supernal question is what is tarot?

Perhaps putting tarot into this full-fledged biographical thought experiment may be a way of breaking up far more comfortable lines of biographical association.

In some ways I might actually want to give an occult view of my life which would have very little to do with my family of origin after I’m 20 and a great deal to do with my inner life.

  But even my inner life has a bunch of people parading through it!  For me, being an extrovert, I find the people I know and the inner experiences I have bleed into one another.

Among the things I would like to see covered is some personal biographical information, realizing this is for a public forum, some specific details should be left out.  I will try to model for you what I think is a reasonable degree of specificity for this message board.

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It would be nice to know where you were born and grew up. 

What your family was like and what were your friendships like childhood? 

What was your relationship to older and younger siblings? 

Did you have a particular relationship with your mother or father and what was their character like?  Were you orphaned?

Also for any of us who had early psychic and childhood spiritual experiences, that might be fun to hear about too!

What kind of student or you?  Do you remember the way you understood your education, and the way it was presented to you by your family and the community you were being educated in?

What was your relationship to religion? Was your family religious or was anyone in your family specifically religious? What were your early ideas of religion and how have they evolved through your lifetime?

What were some of the fads and fancies of your childhood?  I remember a time when I sought out how to learn judo as a way of dealing with a difficult transition from grade school to junior high school. I also want through a brief bout of coin collecting and stamp collecting.

What was your experience of your intellectual awakening?  This varies but usually begins around 11 and may not actually happen until 15, this is when one has an incredible awakening to the inner life of thinking and caring what other people feel this is where all that peer pressure comes on and usually has our first blundering explorations of sexual politics. We become interested in the world and we find the world interesting.

How did you get on in high school? What were your friends like?  Were you part of a specific crowd?  Or were you a loner?   How did you characterize friendship as a child and as an  adolescent?   How did your friendships change?

Did you have any particular career dreams for your adult life?   How did you envisage a Prince charming?  Or Princess charming?

Did you go to college and what was the transition like? 

When did you start working and what was your working life like?

How did she feel about your supervisors and boss?   What were your coworkers like?  Did any of them become friends?

What talents have you discovered about yourself at this point in your life when you’re young adult? Where did you discovered these talents and how did you learn to exercise them?

Say something about sure undergraduate experience or your early trial jobs. Did you join the armed services?

What were some of your more significant sexual experiences?  Who were some of the more important people that you bonded with in your life? How did those stories go?

How did you stumble into your life career or work and how did it you’ve all been a change over time?

What were some of the more important social and historical issues that were going through during your life? For instance were you subject to the draft?  Were you part of the counterculture?  Did you take up the persona of an artist or craftsperson for a while? Were you a member of a religious cult? Did you join the Peace Corps or Vista?

  When you were growing up did you feel you were poor?   Has wealth and money than a port and stimulant in your life?   What are the kinds of things you've done mainly for the money?

Did you marry and did you have children?  What was that experience like?  What was your relationship to religion during your young adult years?

How would you characterize your spouse?  How would you describe them to someone else?   How has the relationship evolved over time?   What do you see its future being?

  Have you experienced being divorced, separated, or widowed?   Describe the emotional and life story decision ark that you experienced in those changes?

  Has catastrophic illness  or accident been a aspect of your life? where you a patient or a caretaker or merely a remote bystander?

 Have you had to deal with chronic disease and mental illness in your family or in yourself?

  How would you characterized its story?  Do you ever tell people this story? Or do you feel ashamed and only share with a few trusted people who might be already sympathetic because of their own circumstance?

Did you decide to stay single or did it just sort of happened to you? 

Is your sexual orientation a significant part of your life story?   How would you characterize it?

Do you feel that you have been a member of a discriminated against group?  Have people ostracize you because of your religion, race, gender, sexual orientation,  politics,  occupation,  education, class, attractiveness, weight,  hair- length,  accents, antecedents,  diet, intelligence,  or-just-to-be-mean?

To what degree is did your jobs become all-consuming?

Did you develop any strong hobbies and applications that required incredible amount of time?  For instance in one part of my life I was very busy doing “church work” which had away eating up my time without myself ever seriously settling to express my authentic personality. In fact in my experience it was a nice way of not dealing with anything.

Describe your educational and career threads. Describes some of the seasons in your life that may be marked by the person you’re married to, the job you are doing, the place you are living, or the educational track you or on.

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Yikes what a list! I really don’t expect anybody to write about all this stuff online to a bunch of strangers.

I bet more than one of us was becoming quite uneasy reading all these questions!

To the degree that is the case, it might be fun to try to remember some of the stuff just for yourself. 

It also be nice if you come up with questions about the life quest that were not developed in this list and share them with us.

You don’t need to answer these questions.  But it is really possible that making them up will cast a light on your own life experience.

Humph! Maybe I should start again?

Saying a little bit about your background and life, what was the context in which you discovered tarot?

When did you decide to become more serious about the study tarot?

What were the social and psychic contexts in which you discovered tarot?

What is it that you are looking for and the deeper study of tarot?

What do you want from this teleconference class? 

Is there anything that you particularly would like to have happen in this class?

Angry


Okay folks, if you had the pantience to read through this list, maybe you have some questions yourself to ask?

Personally I do plan to provide some sort of biographical tarot statement, but it will be a different thread and there I will invite others to share their tarot story too.


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The questions of who we are! – a place to ask questions of one another.
« on: May 12, 2007, 12:56:29 PM »

On this thread I invite all members of the teleconference course to give us a biographical account of themselves--not by saying who they are and what they have done and how tarot came into their lives—but by composing a list of questions they think would be significant for the rest of us to answer.

After looking at this list of questions, I think I would be interested in others lists of questions that they would be interested in knowing about us.

I am sure that the way I have cast of these questions shows my gender bias and perhaps some of my own psychological developmental orientation.

So I invite you to read these questions and to come up with some of your own about what you would like to know about members of the teleconference. 

Add them to this thread as you wish.

However to the degree that any of us want to respond to some aspect of these questions I suggest we start a separate thread introducing ourselves and our relationship with tarot within the fuller fabric of our lives.

I would not just read these as questions, but I would see if they could be answered as phrased. If the phrasing seems off, maybe the question is missing the mark for you, and a re-formulation of the question would be a good idea.

I would also attempt to answer the questions in my own mind as it seems relevant to my life and experience.  If I feel uncomfortable about any of these questions I can look into that for myself but there is no expectation that I actually have to talk about things that I do not feel comfortable about, or write about things that I would rather keep private.

Allowing this basic form of self integrity, the exercise is to meet the questions head-on and see what you would think you would write about some of these issues. 
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