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Welcome to the Tarot School Forum! This is the place to discuss the teachings of Wald and Ruth Ann Amberstone, founders and instructors of The Tarot School, producers of The Readers Studio annual event for professional tarot readers, and authors of Tarot Tips and the just released Secret Language of Tarot.
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Re: Let’s discuss our Tarot Dream Experience
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 07:55:46 PM »

Here is my initial contribution:

2007-05-10: Last night’s class was very meditative as a result of listing the Lord and Ways, the Secrets and the Keys to the Suit of Cups.
I don’t know about you, but it is often the case when I am meditating in a group, especially a group that is considering a topic, my meditation will continue into my dreams as it did last night. What I recall is something of a jumble but I did fix upon an image that, may not convey the entire dream, but will at least anticipate our beginning of consideration of the court cards.

There is a child’s toy, its name I do not know, something like hammer and pegs, where, if you strike the peg, it goes down but several others will go up.  Each peg represented one of the court cards, and I was striking them with a hammer: one would go down and two others would pop up, I would knock them down and others would pop up.

Perhaps as we begin to consider the court cards, I will learn that there are other ways to read them besides hitting them with a hammer!  But the idea that I think this image most conveys is how intricately interconnected the tarot card meanings are as invitations to the supernal.
(I use the term “supernal” as shorthand for that level of awareness where time and space, self and other, body and energy disappear to emerge as other possibilities for which there are no truly good analogies. So when I use the term supernal here, I am suggesting the deeper contemplative aspects of the tarot, their mystical purport rather than their divinational use).

This whole deeper idea of the tarot as a gateway into the nature of divine knowledge, which is not so much the knowledge of the reality or truth of divinity, but rather beginning to experience things in the world in a way that is in sympathy with the way the divine knows the world. 
In this way we have to abandon our human identity and allow the divine identity to possess us.  However, the more the divine identity does possess us the more profoundly humble we become in our humanity.  We find it easier to feel, to identify with suffering, to truly care and emphasize with all human beings in all conditions at all times.
If we attempt to contain this divine identity as a personal secret we could suffer from serious forms of inflation, a puffing up of ourselves that makes us, egotistical, feeling that we are better than other people and immune from their suffering so that we actually lack the ability to empathize with others, which we feel makes us superior and better than the ordinary jerks in the world.

These meditational states seem so delicate and holy, so fleeting and personal, but if we learn to work the keys, we will notice that what was once delicate and temporary slowly works itself into our ground and becomes the very basis upon which we reach even deeper or higher.

But I digress; I certainly hope I can read the court cards with something other than hammer!

I think it’s possible that others of us in this class are also dreaming the tarot at various times and it might be instructive to all of us if you care to share your dream experience.
I believe paying attention to dreams and doing the dream journaling and dream work and interpretation is one of the key ways that we open ourselves to the deeper meaning of the tarot. 
The tree of life does give us a map that will explain some of our experiences to us as they happen in due course, but often our dreams will be where we are given personal insights and make connections that show that we have moved into another aspect of the tree before we’re likely to realize it.

Pretty much like only using a hammer to understand things, when they move from one level to another, the previous levels will not provide us with a clear understanding about the level we are experiencing now. Perhaps I should add a level to my tool bag?
Likewise we need to find ways to make our experience of bliss so stable and understand our experience at a new level and with new twists to meaning of words as Wald intimated we may come to a way to do this through some discipline of meditation that is practiced with some regularity. It’s sort of screws you into one place so that the possibilities of contemplation become more varied and possibilities perpetuate exponentially. I guess a screwdriver would help with the court cards too, so I’ll add that to my tool bag, also.

If I return back to my hammer and peg toy I notice that some of the pegs have slots for a screwdriver, I wonder if that will make a difference?

So many tools and so little time to learn to use them.

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Let’s discuss our Tarot experience
« on: May 10, 2007, 07:50:29 PM »

Let’s discuss our Tarot experience
I believe sometime this week, Ruth Ann is going to initiate a thread on the tarot schools message board devoted to the teleconference experience. 

I am a loquacious fellow and love to hear the sound of my voice, however I am not spending $25 a class to hear myself think aloud, nor have you all invested similar sums, to hear my stream of consciousness, I guess were invested in hearing Wald's stream of consciousness, but whatever, the experience definitely excites comment.

I think it would serve us well if we spent some time sharing our ruminations about the classes

One, we will get to know each other better.

Two, we may suggest new directions for other tarot classes. 

Three, we can amplify our insights and explore our uncertainties about what we're learning. 

Four, we can create and intellectual community online that can attempt to reach into some of the deeper and little explored aspects of the tarot. 

Five, we will be creating a permanent record of our deliberations, which may be the basis of further creative work down the line, for any of us.

Personally I am most interested in working collaboratively within a community of interest to explore the deeper aspects of tarot lore. In fact it is my major creative focus in tarot exploration.  I don't mind doing a reading now and again.  But my major interest is in an integral view of the higher reaches and all levels of consciousness.

So I would like this to be an invitation to all of us to are engaged in the teleconferences to participate in the message board discussion of the classes.

I think if we all do this at to some degree we will add to the depth of the class in very short order, in ways that we can hardly imagine right now.  When you think of it I'm only suggesting that we share our own thinking about our experience of the class and of the tarot as it occurs to us.  That we share both are insights and the areas where we are confused and wish clarification.  By seeking clarification on line from / with each other, we give invaluable feedback to Wald and Ruth Ann and at the same time reinforce what were learning on a number of different levels.  Altogether it is a win-win situation and I hope you will concur by participating on the thread in the message board.

Paul Nagy

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